You're looking for swordbait for what, 25th level parties?! Bah. you want more entries and what you really care about is the stat block. If the Hells volume takes the same limp dicked approach, I may be moved to anger.Īgain, would you rather have a few in detail or 6 per page with a quick stat block and a layer number? I'd much prefer the kind of loving detail that I've seen in Dragon's demon articles to a slap-dash attempt to list as many as fast as possible.Īnd the Demon Princes have all been deballed, reducing their strength (CR) so they can be swordbait for 20th level parties "because no one plays epic."Īh, so now it becomes clear. One must hope that Mona and Jacobs were just "following orders" when they wimped out the DPs. Better we get a 4E that actually plays at the levels advertised. So we get a bowdlerized lot of DPs, waste of space, waste of effort. Years of D&D mythology s it-canned for convenience, which amounts to an admission that D&D3X is hopelessly broken at higher levels. And the Demon Princes have all been deballed, reducing their strength (CR) so they can be swordbait for 20th level parties "because no one plays epic." Of course, "but you can scale them." What a pantload. I have any number of complaints regarding Hordes of the Abyss and Greyhawk's shoddy treatment as the core setting but hey, who am I kidding, of course I'll buy this book. I know you do your best for the setting we all fell in love with back in the day.
(I think) I know where you have stood on this issue, and I won't pester. That's good in the sense that we get updated material for old Greyhawk creatures / people / places and (IMHO) bad in the sense that it bodes poorly for the possibility of a change of heart with respect to actual Greyhawk material in the future. these days is to move Greyhawk specific items into the "Core" as non-world-specific elements. PS: Erik, thanks for the reply, and yes that's kind of what I meant when I called it a genericization of Greyhawk.
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(all of this is based on my perusal of the PDF table of contents which is available for download as a zip file from the Wizards site, and may not be an accurate depiction of the content). Also, keep in mind that the demon princes share space with a list of generic demons, demonic feats, descriptions of specific levels and even more specific locations. Well, I'd rather have a short list and more comprehensive coverage if possible than another dozen entries.
I wonder now from what you say if this is a 'Reader's Digest' version of the Demonomican of Iggwilv series? I'll likely get this book nonetheless, I use demons too much not to.Īnd, to reuse a line, he Zagygged Marduk! Naturally the ones that interest me are the ones that haven't been covered in Dragon already (Yeenoghu and Malcanthet would be directly useful to anyone running Dungeon's Maure Castle). References to Iggwilv, Zagig, Eclavdra, Istivin, the Wind Dukes of Aaqa, etc. While the book is not a Greyhawk book, it works perfectly as the Abyss _for_ a Greyhawk book. Then again, some of these have already gotten extensive coverage (probably more than the book will have) in Dragon. I'm not thrilled with that, but to be frank, I'll take just about anything that gets me a fix at this point. To me, this sounds like Wizards testing the water of continued genericification of the Greyhawk mythos. There are also 15 layers written up, several of which have been part of Greyhawk's history. I don't recognize all of them, so they may not all be Greyhawk-descended, but most of them appear to be. I was looking over Fiendish Codex I: Hordes of the Abyss's writeup and it seems that there's some good stuff in store for the Greyhawk faithful!įirst up, the list of Demon Lords that are written up. Fiendish Codex I: Hordes of the Abyss - Downloaded from the Wizards Community, all coding removed by Solauren Fiendish Codex I: Hordes of the Abyss